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Post by Ector Symir on Oct 5, 2010 18:44:56 GMT
Karstan?!?!? NOOOO!!!!
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Post by Maerin on Oct 5, 2010 18:50:53 GMT
"Of course this tapestry seems real to you, figment. You are a part of it," Ector answers back as he moves to confront the speaker. "Who are you supposed to be and what's your version of the events that led to this massacre? I don't seem to recognise your portrait from the coin in my purse." Maerin chuckles.You guys over on that side of the pond certainly have a charming way with the apparently "badly wounded and in a lot of pain"....
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Post by Ector Symir on Oct 5, 2010 18:57:53 GMT
My take on it is that Ector, given his ignorance of the workings of magic and rather bullish personality, would simply ram his disbelief at the spell he's trapped in until either he or it breaks.
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Post by Beowuuf on Oct 5, 2010 19:10:47 GMT
RIP Karstan!
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Post by Maerin on Oct 5, 2010 19:10:49 GMT
Well, you won't get any more Conviction from the demonstration of Ector's "bullish personality". Just so you know.
A Vice may be an integral part of what a character is, but succumbing to Vice has led more than one hero to tragedy.
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Post by Karstan on Oct 5, 2010 21:51:30 GMT
Goodbye cruel world!
and good luck to the rest of you, I am with you in spirit.
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Post by Maerin on Oct 8, 2010 5:56:31 GMT
I am not going to post an update this evening. That gives some breathing space to consider your situations. If you want, it also gives you the chance to edit your posts too. Use the time wisely.
I will return tomorrow evening as normal, to finish out the week.
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Post by Maerin on Oct 11, 2010 18:04:25 GMT
My warnings to Ector and Kelrim:
Beating your heads against the same stone wall day after day and week after week is clearly not getting you anywhere. I should think that quite apparent, at this point. Don't count on your great Constitution bonuses to string things out indefinitely for you. At some point in time in the not too distant future, your characters will have to expire, no matter what you roll. The clock started ticking a couple weeks ago, as you likely guessed when the stabilization checks started. But that clock does have stopping point.
It is certainly not an easy challenge that has been put before you all. It wasn't supposed to be easy. There are a few different ways in which it can be beaten, however. And it can be beaten in at least one fashion I did not anticipate beforehand.
But it cannot be beaten by stalling or waiting it out.
You've had more than enough time to figure it out, and/or implement what measures might be taken to help you figure it out. Last Thursday, when I actually did not post and gave the group the message that they might want to use that time to reconsider their posts should have been a blunt enough hint. Apparently it wasn't, because both of you got on the site, but neither of you editted your posts.
You cannot "dice" your way out of this, though there are ways in which you might help the process with dice. Nor can you merely stall until someone else saves you. As was mentioned a few weeks ago, you're going to have to think your way back out of it. No character in the group is any more disadvantaged in that fashion than another.
So consider this my upgrade to an even blunter hint that the two of you do not have much more sand left to fall in the hourglass...
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Post by Rolph on Oct 11, 2010 19:24:43 GMT
I take it that Jynx is on the right track, since you did not mention her in this post, and that my own post today will accomplish nothing. However, I don't want to use out of character knowledge to get myself out of this. I can't use something that Ilia or Jynx does that works (or is working) because Kelrim has no knowledge of that. I can only respond to what Kelrim is experiencing. Is it reasonable for Kelrim to realize that he is essentially talking to himself, or would this be using OOC knowledge based on what the others have said and concluded?
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Post by Maerin on Oct 11, 2010 20:14:06 GMT
Is it reasonable for Kelrim to realize that he is essentially talking to himself, or would this be using OOC knowledge based on what the others have said and concluded? There is a generally easy way to answer that question. Answer this for yourself by turning your question around: has Kelrim been given enough information to reasonably draw that conclusion for himself? In a way, it is good that you aren't using either Ilia or Jynx as a model to absolutely copy your own roleplay by. Because the trap is tailored to each character, the means of escaping it is not going to be absolutely the same for everyone. If I do not mention Jynx now, it is only because, after a couple weeks of her running into the same stone wall, she finally did do something that stopped her doing so. For the most part. Jynx, in her turn, realized that she could not use precisely the same methods that Ilia did, because Jynx and Ilia are different characters. Jynx has not escaped yet, however. And she’s found that same stone wall at least one more time since she finally switched her path. She might still yet again. She's a heck of a lot more vulnerable to dying of failed Con saves, and so is more acutely aware her time may be limited. I want you and Ector to realize your Con saves, though they keep you alive now, will not hold out forever. Ilia escaped, through a combination of a bit of initial luck, but luck combined with the player having the savvy to recognize the opening luck gave her and take absolute advantage of it. The circumstances by which Ilia escaped cannot now be completely imitated. But I think you can take it as a given that Ilia's player is not finding her success any picnic for her right now, either. The main reason, however, I do not list either Ilia or Jynx here is the obvious one: they talked to the GM these past few weeks via message (if you look in the recent Die Rolling thread, you’ll notice a Wisdom check posted by Jynx, with my response to it saying that a message response had been sent). You and Ector have not. So don’t assume just because I did not list them in my above post does not mean that they did not hear the same things I told you and Ector now. You two just haven't ever asked. The posts for each of you in the game here are not secret. Strictly speaking, Kelrim, the same argument you make now might be made about your OOC comments about Conviction use or misuse to Karstan and Ector earlier. Should the players of those characters have absolutely ignored what you advised, even if you were right, just because you said it OOC? Naturally, no. There is a wide happy medium between completely acting on player knowledge and defiantly refusing to act on any player knowledge at all. But, even if you want to stand by your conviction of roleplaying you're own way out of this mess, and I have no trouble with you choosing to do so, my points to you and Ector remain. If you want to get out of this entirely on your own devices, there is nothing the matter with that. But if something is not working, trying it again and again is just not a good idea. You have to recognize when a path is a dead end. And if you are going it alone, then you, and you alone, have to recognize when a path is a dead end. I believe, in fact, I hinted at just that, not all that long ago: one definition of insanity is to try the same failed approach over and over again in the hopes that the outcome will somehow turn out different.
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Post by Ector Symir on Oct 13, 2010 20:30:01 GMT
Thanks, Maerin, for not offing me (yet) - apologies for not posting yesterday.
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Post by Maerin on Oct 13, 2010 21:27:47 GMT
He reaches for the prone figure, intent on pulling back his hood to take a good look at his face. Um. Hood? What hood? Were there a hood, not only would I not have described occasional facial expressions, but it would have been rather odd for Ector to have earlier commented on the man's portrait not appearing on any of the coins in his purse. I don't imagine Palmyrion regularly stamps sinister hooded heads on its lune. You can see his face just fine, considering he is both looking directly at you and speaking only to you.
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Post by Maerin on Oct 14, 2010 0:47:52 GMT
There will be no update posted Friday evening. Two of the players and your GM will all be traveling for much of Friday, and Internet access will be inconvenient. So after Thursday's update post, you have an extended weekend break for the game.
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Post by Rolph on Oct 14, 2010 0:54:06 GMT
I think that with the "King"'s comment about my feelings in the forge, Kelrim now has enough information to deduce that he is talking to himself, in spite of the earlier failed Wisdom check. If you disagree, please let me know and I'll edit my post.
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Post by Ector Symir on Oct 14, 2010 6:43:14 GMT
There will be no update posted Friday evening. Two of the players and your GM will all be traveling for much of Friday, and Internet access will be inconvenient. So after Thursday's update post, you have an extended weekend break for the game. My break will be longer than that, as Ector just shuffled off this mortal coil, went to Section 14, popped his clogs. So long and thanks for all the fish. Good luck, the rest of you. It's been fun.
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