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Post by Altor "Al" Cloudscraper on Jun 19, 2008 16:56:44 GMT
I was referring to the descriptions based in RPG gazatteer, which links Palmyrion to Talestria, Talestria to Bor, and so forth. And you are very correct in differentiating the difference between a paper ally and an ally expending lives and treasure. The Belgians were very surprised when the British honoured a 80 odd year and mostly forgotten treaty to go to war on their behalf.
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Post by Maerin on Jun 19, 2008 17:09:28 GMT
Maerin chuckles. Not so very forgotten by anyone when it was a rather..."stressed"... subject of diplomatic conversation during the Franco-Prussian war, as well as distinctly MORE "stressed" conversation in the weeks leading up to World War I. After all, both France and Prussia signed the same treaty. Okay, I have said it before and will say it again, just to reinforce the point. Rather than say anything in the Gazeteer might be wrong, which will just get people ticked off at me, I am indicating that a lot likely has changed in the 60 years between the Magnamund that the Gazeteer is "set" in, and my own game. That is why you read me citing gamebooks foremost in most such discussions like this.
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Post by Altor "Al" Cloudscraper on Jun 19, 2008 18:18:14 GMT
The GM is always right. You could say LW becomes a traitor and there would be little we could do!
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Post by Maerin on Jun 19, 2008 19:11:52 GMT
I went one better. Lone Wolf is dead. Seriously though, the reason why I am telling you things like this up-front is so that you do know what I think of various sources and resources (particularly the RPG content; which is where I see most of these discussions circling around anyway). In a lot of specific cases, that means you won't have to rely on my word alone (and, at worst, I need to "clarify" if there still seems to be some discrepency).
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Post by Altor "Al" Cloudscraper on Jun 19, 2008 19:28:11 GMT
I went one better. Lone Wolf is dead. That is going to be a really interesting thing about this campaign - we are going to lose - not just the war, but hope. It will be interesting playing this out as our homelands get overrun, the mighty fall and our allies killed. I suspect this may not be the most uplifting campaign ever, but it will definately be fun!
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Post by Zohar on Jun 20, 2008 2:09:04 GMT
Indeed. And my (original) homeland starts out in the enemy camp. Of course, it will be heartbreaking when Anari falls too, and at Vassagonia's hands, no less. The themes of fighting against impossible odds, struggling just to survive, and trying to bring hope to a hopeless world are also part and parcel of Call of Cthulhu, so they're very familiar to me.
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Post by Ageal on Jul 2, 2008 23:51:42 GMT
*does a song and dance* hey, you guys!!!!! Im trying to give the forum CPR, it must live again! havent seen a post in a few days!
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Post by Ector Symir on Jul 2, 2008 23:56:50 GMT
Things have been quiet lately because the GM's been away, but I'm sure we're all still keeping an eye on the forum.
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Post by Altor "Al" Cloudscraper on Jul 3, 2008 0:20:31 GMT
I know I am - I think we are all just waiting for it to start now. Alba has his freshly hewn quarterstaff and ratty old cloak and is just raring to go! Of course, he is a bit intimidated when he looks at the stats of the rest of the group
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Post by Ector Symir on Jul 3, 2008 0:33:48 GMT
Better stats just make you a bigger target for the GM to throw stuff at.
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Post by Altor "Al" Cloudscraper on Jul 3, 2008 1:05:23 GMT
Better stats just make you a bigger target for the GM to throw stuff at. True dat! Although, I am fairly certain that we will meet challenges that will test all of our weaknesses and strengths in this campaign!
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Post by Karstan on Jul 3, 2008 10:44:24 GMT
I am also awaiting in the wings, but while we wait how about a little discussion I found this passageway while looking for something else. www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/09tcof/sect76.htm'The Elder Magi sent word of your coming, Lone Wolf,' says Gwynian. 'They knew of my appointment to the city judiciary when I came to live here two years ago. My home, the Halls of Learning in Varetta, was destroyed by a fire set by agents of the Darklords. Like yourself, I am a sole survivor, the last of my order. The Elders asked me to afford you what protection I could and to help you in your quest for the Lorestone of Tahou.' Do we think that this fire was of any relation to the mad sages running around Varetta attempting to kill Lonewolf at a similar timeframe?
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Post by Maerin on Jul 3, 2008 16:47:09 GMT
Sorry for the delay, all. I haven't quite recovered my footing as fast as I hoped this week, and now I'm into a U.S. holiday family trip, starting this afternoon and running through the weekend.
The good news, however, is that I will be spending time on this trip on advance writing. I want to get the game launched by the middle of next week, so that when I am traveling on business for much of July, the game is already running.
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Post by Maerin on Jul 3, 2008 16:57:27 GMT
'The Elder Magi sent word of your coming, Lone Wolf,' says Gwynian. 'They knew of my appointment to the city judiciary when I came to live here two years ago. My home, the Halls of Learning in Varetta, was destroyed by a fire set by agents of the Darklords. Like yourself, I am a sole survivor, the last of my order. The Elders asked me to afford you what protection I could and to help you in your quest for the Lorestone of Tahou.' Do we think that this fire was of any relation to the mad sages running around Varetta attempting to kill Lonewolf at a similar timeframe? Yes and no. Two years prior to Lone Wolf meeting Gwynian in Tahou (around early MS5062) would have put the destruction of the Halls of Learning in MS5060. Lone Wolf's journey to Varetta was about two years earlier, in MS5058. So there likely is not an absolute correlation between the two events. It does seem likely, however, that there is an associative correlation. The seemingly well-intentioned (yet still obviously very harmful to Lone Wolf) "madness" that seems to characterize the Halls of Learning at just about the time (as well as a certain amount of time leading up to) Lone Wolf's quest for the first Lorestone occurred does not strike me as mere coincidence. If we accept that socio-political subversion of institutions by the Darklords is a standard practice (consider the Order of the Sword in Tharro in Talestria, which bore a significant resemblence to the situation in the Halls of Learning in Varetta), then we might suppose that such subversion of the Halls of Learning did take place. It seems somewhat odd that the Darklords might be able to guess, in advance, how best to subvert a quest for the Lorestones...but it is not impossible (and Zahda's possession of a Doomstone is suggestive that the Darklords might have tried multiple different means of foiling a Lorestone quest that might have started in a different direction than Varetta). Once that subversion served out its usefulness (presumably by Lone Wolf eluding the trap), then it seems probable that the Darklords might "burn" their plot to cover their tracks and scatter or destroy one potential opponent to a later invasion. And, since now you know my thoughts and opinions of such possibilities, you might take that as a warning to watch your backs...
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Post by Zohar on Jul 3, 2008 22:55:39 GMT
Welcome back, Maerin! Take as long as you need, I'll still be here waiting. The Darklords' subversion of otherwise upstanding institutions goes back at least to Zagarna, who recruited Vonotar from within the Brotherhood of the Crystal Star. This subversion appears to be less successful than Gnaag's later efforts, as no other BCS mages turned traitor...that we know of. Vonotar did have an organized group of agents in place that were able to operate even in broad daylight in Holmgard, and he might have succeeded had the Random Number Table favored him. There are some parallels between the situation in the game and the German blitzkrieg of Europe in WWII. Many of the collaborators in Nazi-occupied countries supported them before their homelands were conquered, and even in countries that were steadfast on the Allied side there were Nazi sympathizers, sometimes in high places. And there are always opportunists who will back whoever appears to be winning regardless of ideology.
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